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This is what pissed me off so early this Christmas Eve. Dr. Drew Pinsky and Adam Carolla have convinced me that they value radio ratings over providing a service to the teen community. What would prompt them to say such ignorant and inflammatory remarks?
Posted by Raevyn808 at December 24, 2003 06:51 AMMorons. Adam Corolla heaves a thick carpet of crap over anything he's involved in, but Dr. Drew should've known better.
I mean, seriously. I'm no member of the PC patrol, but how could that conversation have transpired with any other minority or ethnic group? (Never mind the fact that few folks make the distinction between "Native Hawaiians" and Hawaii residents as it is.) Verbal diarrhea at its ugliest.
The worst part is, while this would've sparked a PR disaster with any other group, our reaction and KPOI's wise cancellation probably won't even rate a blip on the pop culture radar.
Wow, I can't believe this crap. Guess he figured we're such an obscure ethnic group so far away from the mainstream U.S. that we're a safe target for any sort of verbal insults and abuse he could come up with. Either that or he had his rental car broken into while he was vacationing here and decided to vent his anger on-air. Either way it shows off his ignorance, lack of respect and total disregard for the @SS-WHUPPIN HE'S IN FOR!!!
Sorry, had to add that last part.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Here is a copy of an email I sent to "Dr. Drew" on his webiste:
Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla comments about Hawaiians were very inflammatory and degrading. I am the last person to espouse "PC" behavior--please say what you want to say.
Freedom of speech and expression are important rights. Too frequently, these rights are suppressed by our PC culture. Dr. Drew, you have the right to say what you want, but I have the right to respond. Please tell me, what was the purpose?
A good laugh at another's expense? That is the lowest form of humor.
You have your freedom of speech and expression, and so do I. I want to exercise that right by asking one question. Are you proud of yourself?
Hey,
This is the static link to Cataluna's article.
Unbelievable.
Ruth
Aloha loveline,
I received an E-mail from a friend quoting the following conversation on your station:
REFERRING TO HAWAIIANS (ON THE SUBJECT OF WEATHER),
ADAM CORROLLA SAID, "...they can't handle big words over there, because
they're the world's dumbest people. They don't do science. Close your eyes
and picture all the great Hawaiian scientists over the years. [laughs]
They're retarded people....They're inbred, obviously. They're the dumbest
people we have.
DR. DREW PINSKY- I've met some smart South Pacific people. Not who live
there.
CORROLLA- "People are smart enough to move... They're stupid people...
they don't know what they're doing. They have big calves... They're a
strong, sturdy breed."
It seems number of people in our country who readily believe this and other forms of slanderous stereotyping and misinformation is expanding exponentially. The need prop up self esteem by holding negative and false beliefs, reinforced by broadcast falsehoods and innuendo like that quoted above, speaks to the dangerous decline of general public intelligence that is required if our constitution is to survive in this changing world.
Perhaps you are not aware that a rapidly growing number of Americans hunger for this kind of speech because it gives them a false sense of superiority. These are largely uneducated Americans whose education about the world around them comes exclusively from their TV Screens, Radio Broadcasts, and the occasional newspaper or magazine.
Broadcasts like the one quoted above are contributing to the dumbing down of America. The dumbing down of America is contributing to decline of our nation. What was once a trickle of misinformation, half-truths, and spun information has become a constant stream and most of America is eating it up without realizing it for the poison it is.
Is our country to become a nation of people who not only don't know the truth, but who cant recognize it when they see it because of the steady diet of poison they have come to accept without realizing it?
I hope you will pause for a moment and think about what you are doing here in the larger sense, You may not care, as you are only one individual and only one broadcast with a relatively small audience, Perhaps this is the general sense in broadcasting these days, each individual indemnifying him or her self as only one individual whose individual contribution to the dumbing down of the general population is insignificant. Perhaps it is profitable. It occurs to me that if this kind of thinking prevails in your industry much longer, the very audience you profit from won't be able to figure out for themselves the value of freedom of speech and many other freedoms and the security they have come to take for granted when they become threatened..
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance , that required vigilance relies on an intelligent citizenry cognizant of the truth
....Think about it
Adam who?
He's kind of like one of my old college pals. Could be a pal one minute, but moments later would be a total moron who deserves a kick in the nuts.
Good riddance to both of 'em.
I hate to be the lone voice of dissent, but I--oh wait. I LOVE being the lone voice of dissent.
I didn't hear what Adam Carolla said (I only read the transcript, which I will take on faith is at least verbally accurate), but he's a comedian. Let's not forget that. I used to be a regular Loveline listener before the speakers in my car died, and Loveline was, foremost, great entertainment. It was also, secondarily, a pretty good call-in advice show, and that good advice didn't only come from Drew Pinsky.
In fact, Carolla frequently seemed much more sympathetic and much less clinical than Dr. Drew, which maybe is the reason the two were paired to begin with.
As for not being able to get away with this with any other ethnic group, it depends on whether Carolla was speaking of Hawaiians as the native people or Hawaiians as residents of the state, because if it was the latter, people get away with WAY, WAY more in laughing at Texans and other southerners.
You know it's true.
Carolla, one of the smartest and funniest men in comedy today, fell flat on this one, in all likelihood. I think he's allowed that. It seems like a waste of energy to get worked up over what was basically an impromptu comedy riff. Sure, you might not have found it funny, but I'll bet that many, many people find offensive a lot of stuff you find funny.
You know THAT'S true, too.
Finally--and again, I will tread carefully here because I don't want to turn this into a flame-war--if we're going to voice our displeasure over what is at best an error in judgment and at worst racist invective, we should at least also demonstrate that the radio talk-show hosts are wrong about our knowledge of the English language.
David Ingham writes:
"...speaks to the dangerous decline of general public intelligence..."
and
"Broadcasts like the one quoted above are contributing to the dumbing down of America."
and
"...required vigilance relies on an intelligent citizenry..."
and yet his own letter to Dr. Drew is rife with errors in punctuation, capitalization, usage, and grammar. Note to David: independent clauses are joined with a comma AND a conjunction, not with only a comma.
My point here is not to attack another's expression, but to ask you to consider that maybe there's some small grain of truth to what Carolla said. We can't complain about his calling us illiterate if we respond with poorly-written copy, can we?
David Corolla is " one of the smartest and funniest men in comedy today " Like Britney Spears is one of the most vocally talented musicians in the world today.
Give me a break.
Only a person who refers to women as "babes" in his journal and rates them like pieces of meat would find a caveman like Corolla "funny".
Spell-checking a protest email? That's classy.
Oh, lord. Defending Adam Corolla and nitpicking spelling? Lone voice of dissent, Devil's Advocate, what have you, I think you still pick your battles.
Interpreting his "Hawaiians" as Hawaii residents is an interesting excuse, but it's pretty clear to me he's speaking of Native Hawaiians, or if not, at least invoking the cultural/racial "other."
Sure, he's a comedian, he does what he does. But comedians say dumb things sometimes, and they sure as hell should be held accountable.
I can't believe so many people are so worked up over this issue. Adam Corolla has been making fun of various people (pregant teens, military members, junior college students, homosexuals, himself and Dr. Drew, etc.) for years, and that's one of the reasons he is so popular. Let's be honest; we all have a laugh at the expense of others, but then you get bent out of shape when he makes fun of Hawaiians. If KPOI or any other local station put the show back on the air, I would continue to listen, and I'm sure many others here would, also.
I suppose if racial humor is Adam Corolla's schtick, I'd be less surprised, but I'm no less disgusted by what he says. I'm not a big fan of Frank DeLima for similar reasons, even if his humor is supposedly "safe" ethnic fare.
You're free to like him. On the other hand, when it comes to getting "worked up," I wouldn't be so dismissive of the people who don't like him. "It's just what he does," or, "C'mon, we're all a little racist" is hardly a response.
Disagree that his remarks were inappropriate? Sure. Say we shouldn't feel the way we feel? That's insane.
I personally don't think Adam Corolla deserves an audience, and for now it seems much of the local KPOI listenership agrees. But do I think it'll have any affect on his overall popularity and success? Unfortunately, I don't.
maybe there's some small grain of truth to what Carolla said.
"Hawaiians are too dumb."
"They're the world's dumbest people."
"They're retarded people."
"They're in-bred, obviously."
"They have big calves. That's all. They're stupid people."
What are you saying?
P.S. You don't need a hyphen after 'poorly.' (Oh, and Microsoft says 'his own' is a reflexive pronoun. Nyah.)
Adam says some messed up stuff but so would any comedian in the business who spent that much time in front of a mic speaking his mind. Comedians make jokes about everyone, if they offend you just dont listen to them, but crying on message boards isnt going to silence them.
Adam Carolla's remarks were not on "The Man Show" but on "Loveline" which is supposedly a radio forum created to advise teens and young adults. Mitchell: I don't believe that Carolla is fluent in the King's English so that point is moot.
I chose to point out the article to everyone visiting hawaiistories.com because I feel that it was done in jest of our entire state and culture. In my opinion, when Frank DeLima does a schtick about the Japanese and then the Filipinos it is done to show that we all have cultural quirks. It's like when a group of teens compares embarassing "make-A" moments in high school -- sort of a bonding thing. Carolla did not, to my knowledge, make remarks about Arizona weathermen or Alaskan weatherman. Perhaps he would've made similar comments about people from the mainland and their lack of grammatical skills. From what I read in the article it seems very unlikely.
The point IS to have an idiot and a genus paired together. One emulates the dim witted American culture of bad advice, old wives tales, and urban legends that ultimately follow sex questions, and The Doctor is the voice of reason, which provides the corrections.
Besides, it’s not like the word haole is ever used in a negative, disparaging way, to refer to non Hawaiians in a racist manner, right?
I think it's pretty clear that he's referring to Native Hawaiians, not simply residents of Hawai'i. C'mon, he named every racist comment there is about Polynesians: we're dumb and stupid, but we're also "strong and sturdy". Doesn't this sound familiar to anyone? And what's up with referring to Native Hawaiians as a "breed"? Gee, being referred to as if I were an animal on national radio is SOOOOO funny.
So if he made his comments in all seriousness, it would be racist...but because it's expressed in joke-form it's not? What is he, a magician? Is there some kind of comedian's elixir that can transform racist comments into non-racist jokes with a little pixie-dust? Does his accountability just magically *poof* into the air because someone said so? If that's the kind of fuzzy logic that his defenders are following, then Carolla is one lucky jackass.
People, people, people...seriously; what can we expect from these fools? I mean, what do they even KNOW about Hawaiian culture, history, or peoples? How many of you would bet money that neither of them could pronounce Queen Liliuokalani, or Kalanianaole? How many of you would bet money that neither of them could tell you who Ku'kailimoku is, or what the term Haole truly means? They're ignorant fools hiding under the guise intellectuals...let them perpetuate their own ignorance while we continue to support education.
I don't know about you folks, but I know that were that these comments said about ANY other race, there would be picketing, news conferences, and it would be bigger news than Micheal Jackson is right now,a t least for a day or two. I live in Southern California, and believe me when I say that there is never a day that goes by when there isn't someone out there protesting something.
I am making a HUGE deal out of this. I don't give a rat's *ss IF that SOB Adam what's his face is a comedian...there are a lot of funny people out there in the world who DO NOT poke fun at other simply because they are too stupid and too ignorant to actually ask a freakin' question.
I take particular offense to idea that this Adam person would think so highly and high and mightily of himself to refer to women as "babes" and then have the nerve to say the things that he did about us as a people. I think it is wrong that ANYONE should have ANYTHING to say about others,a nd call me PC if you want, but again, if this sort of thing had been said about African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics or Asians, it would already have been ALL OVER the news and not just in forums such as this one.
Pardon my being offended, but I am. This idiot has managed to further the idea that our men are nothing more than beach bums and our women are only bimbos with more upfront than in between our ears. It is people like this jerk who are the very ones who will talk s*** and then go to Hawai'i and paly in the surf, lay around on the beach slathered in tanning oil, all the while staring at our beautiful women and wondering which ones he would be able to "get with". NONE YOU FOOL! None at all !!!
Indeed, I am offended and so should you be.
Mapuana
The Honolulu Weekly also apparently published the transcript of Carolla's remarks. They get the prize for best headline: "Loveline voted off island"
Someone just reminded me, meanwhile, that one of Carolla's signatures was signing off his show by saying, "Mahalo." What's with that? According to a now-defunct Loveline FAQ website: "Adam never fails to end the show by saying the word 'mahalo' which is a Hawaiian word used to respectively say 'thank you.' Adam notes that he picked up the word upon visiting Hawaii noticing how it was so commonly said. Adam believes that Hawaiians are brilliant for simplifying their vocabulary and there should be more words like 'mahalo,' making everyone's life easier." Ha ha. Funny guy.
Finally, there's a letter to the editor in today's Honolulu Advertiser criticizing Cataluna for republishing the offensive dialogue, and backing the "if you don't like it, don't listen" perspective.
Did you every see the character portrayed on television called Archie Bunker? He hated blacks, Jews, and every other representation of people other than what he was. No one walks around saying that Carroll O’Connor is a racist for playing such a character. Why? Because they are intelligent enough to separate the man from the character. Adam is playing a character on the show—the all American fool. You know the person that walks around telling people that if they drink three Cokes after having sex they won’t get pregnant. So, as a fool, his character IS supposed to say, stupid, off the wall advice, and information that is untrue, lies, and not based on fact or science. It is a way to trick kids into learning. They hear Adam and it reminds them of their friends’ dumb advice, but in reality they learn from Dr. Drew.
What is really sad is that by not comprehending this concept, you are of course, the one perpetuation the belief of ignorance by showing your ignorance.
If anything, this whole ordeal just makes US look bad. It shows that when the joke is on us, we simply can't take it and cry foul.
This is for "Oh, that" -- it just never pays to point a finger at someone or try to shame them. Too often, the barb ends up in your own hide.
My point? As you stated yourself, Archie Bunker was a character. His words, though spoken by Carroll O'Connor, were written by someone else, as were the retorts of his fellow actors. Those retorts were effectively used to point out how Bunker's small-mindedness and knee-jerk racist mindset were, in fact, pathetic and laughable.
Carolla, on the other hand, has no one to blame for his lines but himself -- and there is no one actually scripted into "Loveline" to serve as an effective counterpoint to his more egregious comments. If, as you contend, Dr. Drew is there to serve the information resource rebuttal to Carolla's fool, who can "trick kids into learning," then he failed miserably on this occasion. Had your assertion about Carolla and Drew been accurate, then his "fool" would had provided Drew a golden opportunity to provide some serious teaching about the folly of racist thinking and racist remarks. Had this been a scripted show, as was O'Connor's "All In The Family," we probably wouldn't be engaged in this dialogue because people would not have been so offended, primarily because Bunker's anti-Hawaiian sentiments would have been responded to with appropriate informative commentary from someone else, set to a laugh track to "trick" us all into learning something.
The outrage to the "Loveline" show has arisen from the recognition that Carolla, speaking his own thoughts in his own voice, without the benefit of clever scriptwriters for either his or Drew's remarks, stepped out of line. To his listeners, it might appear that it's perfectly all right to spew nasty, untrue, mean-spirited, racially-focused remarks, and not expect immediate reproof for it -- and that, too, is upsetting.
Finally, you might consider that the criticism stems from something other than ignorance. The premise you provide for Carolla makes sense, but when that premise fails and/or falls short of its intention, it's simply sensible to point that out.
Wow. Of all the ridiculous stuff I've posted here, THIS is the response that gets me flamed? :)
I will not respond to everything here, because there's just not enough time. However, a few things:
Ryan: I think I was confused by your own original response. I thought by saying "never mind that most people don't make the destinction between Native Hawaiians and Hawaii residents" you were implying that Carolla, too, had made this mistake, and I was sort-of responding to that (I mean, it sounded to me like you were saying he, like everyone else on the mainland, got it wrong).
Also, I wouldn't call what I wrote "nit-picking" someone's misspelling. I tried very hard to make the point that if we're going to write emails to protest being stereotyped as not understanding English, it would behoove us to attempt to send the cleanest copy we could. Have I ever, except in good-natured ribbing directed at you, corrected anyone else's language in this space?
Jen: I know my admiration for the beauty of women bugs you--or at least the manner in which I choose to express it does. I can respect that and even try to watch what I say when I'm around you. However, I sincerely hope you don't believe that I think of women as pieces of meat. Yes, I use the word "babe," but I've heard you use the same word, and I don't think it means "piece of meat." There's a difference between looking at women as pieces of meat and looking at them with deep appreciation for their physical gifts, and I think I do the latter. I also know it seems that's ALL I do sometimes, but in my online journal, I have repeatedly praised women for their wonderful acting (Marcia Gay Harden and Frances McDormand come to mind), their thoughtful writing (you!), their insightful interpersonal skills (the other Jenn), their professionalism (certain colleagues), and zillions of other things. I love women in all their shapes and sizes and personalities and I don't apologize for that; if ONE of those ways I appreciate them is for their physical beauty, I don't know that I have anything to apologize for except that it offends you.
I have also, to go even further off-topic, praised the physical beauty of yellow birds and of Ang Lee's _The Ice Storm_.
Which is all to say that I'm sorry you don't share my enthusiasm for Adam Carolla's comedy. I'm sure there are things you find funny that baffle or offend me, too. But I would never look down upon you for that. :)
C: You got me on that one, I'll admit--especially the "his own." However, I will say, in my own defense, that "his own" is more of a stylistic choice than a grammatical error (which does not diminish my embarrassment more than just a little). On the issue of the hyphen between "poorly" and "written" I will say that I am aware that the hyphen is unnecessary, maybe. "Poorly" is an adverb here, modifying "written." If I had said "if we respond with copy that is poorly written," I wouldn't have used a hyphen for this reason. However, I was using "poorly-written" as a compound adjective in order to modify "copy." Diana Hacker, in her _Writer's Reference_, recommends, as you do, using the hyphen for compound adjectives but not with adverbs ending in "ly." It's not the first time I disagree with Hacker, but I'd like you to know that while I'm aware that the hyphen was unnecessary (and perhaps even incorrect), I used it intentionally, in a way that I thought would more clearly make my point. I am all for the breaking of grammatical rules where such rule-breaking makes writing clearer, and appreciate it when others do the same. This is an overly verbose way of saying that you are correct. But. (for you, I left the hyphen out of "overly-verbose way!" see? I can be reasonable!)
It is my hope that you didn't interpret my response to mean that I think any of the quotes you pulled have a "grain of truth." I was focusing, in that part of my response, on the fact that the entire diatribe was launched by Carolla's assertion that we don't understand long words or know how to use the English language.
Finally, I want to say that I never once told anyone not to be offended. I would never do such a thing. If something offends you, it offends you, and I definitely want to hear about it. But if something doesn't offend me, I should feel just as free to express myself, without fear of judgment. There's a lot of room here for us to disagree, but after all the disagreeing, it would be nice if we could still maintain a peaceful, respectful community of diverse thinking in this small space.
TO: ADAM "TOYOTA" CARROLLA I'M GOING TO KARRANG YOUR ALA'S!! IF YOU YOU EVER MAKE IT TO HAWAII.WE NEVER FORGET OVER HERE!!
A show should be judged by the sum of its parts. Granted, Carolla's humor is not for the faint of heart, but Dr. Pinsky does provide much needed information for the youth of Hawaii. Everyone should read his book "cracked", which deals with addiction ( a topic that Hawaii knows all too well).
hey guys watsup! i just wanna tell u all to GET OVER IT! oh my god u fuckin losers over in hawaii take things so seriusly! dear god! everything adam says is a joke come on! HES A COMEDIAN! im sure hes not the only comedian thats ever made fun of hawaii! YOU STUPID FUCKS! i think he was right though, if you guys where REALLY smart you'd know he was joking!
did someone just fart?
Stop whining. Did it ever occur to you that Adam is right? Prove him wrong! Stupid people in Hawaii... Go cry some more.
How can local people possibly justify being upset? I have heard more racial humor in the 7 years I have been here than the other 23 I spent on the mainland. Locals brutalize the portugese in their jokes more so than mainlanders ever have the polish. Yet one joke about Hawaii, and here comes the overly defensive, knee jerk, don't oppress us reaction again. The guys a comedian, and if your own Lanai and Augie don't bother you, he shouldn't either.
Augie and Frank DeLima bother some of us plenty, so that stupid excuse doesn't even wash. Try again.
If that is so, then where is the outrage? Why haven't they been taken off the air? They have certainly been more demeaning in their satire directed against other races... Particularly the Filipinos and Hawaiians, but I hear no call for their censure... And people here get away with uttering racial slurs at work that they would be fired for anywhere else. So again, why the outrage over a one time comment on a radio show? It's no different than saying, "F#*k'n Haole", or, "Stupid Haole." Impropriety is impropriety, and hypocrisy is inexcusable...
There's plenty of outrage. DeLima gets plenty of flak from the Filipino community, and he doesn't dare touch the Hawaiians.
What most mainland people fail to understand is that there's a difference between Hawaii residents and people of Hawaiian ancestry, and when some jackass like Corolla says "Hawaiians are stupid", we're all keenly aware that people think he's making a judgement against the entire state, and the comments from haole on this thread are proof that not all of his listeners are bright enough to take what he says as a joke. DeLima is Portagee, and he makes Portagee jokes. I find him not even the slightest bit amusing, but at least there's an understanding among people who know better that it's supposed to be a joke. It's easy for someone to point to him and say "well, he's hateful!". Sure, he is to me, but not to other people who live here and understand the dynamic of race int his state.
Carolla, possessing no apparent sense of humor, is harder to read.
And don't get me started on the haole thing, please. I'm as white as they get and I know it's not a slur.
If you choose to believe that then you must also agree that the other slang names for people of various races or backgrounds is perfectly acceptable as long as the literal meaning is harmless? Impact vs. Intent. It is as derogatory as the offended person feels it to be. It was explained to me by a Hawaiian friend I served with in the Army that newcomer Caucasians are told that the word haole(technically) is innocuous, but its meaning is almost always negative. Now I am the last person to be politically correct, but Hawaii seems to be the land of double standards. Did you also know that the derogatory term for a person of homosexual orientation originally meant small pieces of wood? Yet as these small pieces of wood were used to burn homosexuals at the stake in Europe, its meaning came to have a crude and horrible impact on the recipient. You wouldn't dare try to defend its use would you?
I have no big problem with the humor of of the aforementioned comedians as it is satire, my problem is with people who can dish it out, but can't take it in return.
Adam Carolla's comments on Hawaiians were _not_ the same as using the term Haole. There are many shades of meaning to this word, from a simple categorization or descriptive term, all the way to, yes, a racial insult, depending on the context of use, the intent of the user, and the reaction of the listener.
I am "hapa-haole," meaning in local speech, of mixed ancestry and part-Caucasian. Haole adds nothing offensive to this term.
Carolla made a direct insult of the Hawaiian people, and by association, everyone who lives in Hawaii. I think he started by trying to demonstrate that Hawaii doesn't need weather forcasters because it's always clear and sunny here. (Which it is not.) But from there he started running his mouth with false and unreasoned assumptions about Hawaiians.
Insert any other racial or cultural group in place of "Hawaiians" in his comments--is that okay?
Carolla's like that guy we all knew in high school: he makes people laugh, but he's still kind of a dick.
Drew Pinsky is the one who really should have known better than to encourage Carrolla to continue his train of thought. I have admired Dr. Drew for his intellegence, candor, and sensitivity, but that is shot to pieces now.
Loveline had been one of the few advice programs I could enjoy. Now I don't care whether I ever hear it again.
Drew did not encourage Adam's train of thought, the transcript is misleading - hearing the segment one can easily tell how Drew is uncomfortable with some of the comments. Not only is the transcript misleading in that respect, it also shades Adam's comments in a much darker color than the actual audio does - I suggest actually listening to it.
Oh wait, I guess you folks in Hawaii might have a hard time hearing the segment, along with all of the other very helpful segments that Loveline broadcasts each night - since someone made a hasty and completely unecessary decision to remove the show from the air.
Hey, at least he didn't say anything about the niggers, or jews for that matter. Now that would be worth a lynching! Lighten up, gooks.
I understand that many of you reading this are Hawaiian, so I’ll try to type slower.
Here’s a little Democracy 101 for you. (Because I realize the Islands aren’t known for their renowned education.)
If you don't like Loveline, don't listen to it. It’s as simple as that.
I realize Loveline supports mental and physical fitness; two things most Hawaiians want nothing to do with. And before I go any further, that little thing in the previous sentence that looks like a comma with a dot above it is actually called a semicolon. It indicates a separation between two parts or ideas of a sentence.
If all of Hawaii (or even a strong majority) doesn’t listen to Loveline, then it will surly be pulled off the air and replaced. Most likely by the sound of someone banging two coconut shells together and singing of that little minx Queen Liliuokalani, but hey, if that entertains you, be my guest.
Whatever the choice, at least if you took a democratic approach it would represent the choice of the majority of Hawaiians.
Instead, you have chosen to allow a handful of Hawaiians with nothing better to do than spend all day trying to write a letter decide what will be broadcast and what will not.
The truth is that Loveline is an education program. It gives young people an honest perspective on any subject they can’t get anywhere else.
It’s unfair and irresponsible to cease the learning of others just because you were offended.
Thanks,
PS- (which stands for post script) I speak for most of the lower 48 states when I say that a little gratitude might be in order for allowing you Hawaiians into the Union. Just a thought…
yeah, calling all tards... maybe you should accually listen to the show first. half the shit you accuse them of is all lies. first, you should know that adam doesn't give a rat's ass about ratings. second adam does not play a "charactar" that's him on the radio. third, he makes fun of every single ethnic group (including mine). so shut the fuck up and change the station instead of having a SNAFU
I especially like the person who referred to Adam as "David Carolla". People like that certainly don't make the case for Hawaiians being smart.
You're all assuming that Adam meant the things he said. If you all knew anything about the show (which you don't) you'd realize what Adam says is not what he actually believes. Largely ignored is the fact he closes each show with Mahalo, the fact Dr. Drew made NO comments to go along with Adam (you can't stop Adam once he gets going anyway, something people who knew the show would get), and that the vast majority of people don't actually take things like this seriously. I doubt most of you ever listen to the show with any regularity because you'd know Adam takes shots at ALL ethnic groups.
Someone mentioned a magic elixir for forgiving such comments: it's not believing them when you say them. It's that simple.
P.S. Also, no one has brought up any great scientific minds that Hawaii has spawned...I just find that interesting.
Hey Mr. Mason Jar,
I understand that many of you reading this are Hawaiian, so I’ll try to type slower.
Grammar note: Use "slowly" to modify the verb "type."
Here’s a little Democracy 101 for you. (Because I realize the Islands aren’t known for their renowned education.)
Grammar note: The parenthetical clause is dependent. You must include the parenthetical clause as part of its related sentence and place the period outside the parenthesis.
Example: Here's a little Democracy 101 for you (because I realize the Islands aren't know for their renowned education).
I realize Loveline supports mental and physical fitness; two things most Hawaiians want nothing to do with. And before I go any further, that little thing in the previous sentence that looks like a comma with a dot above it is actually called a semicolon. It indicates a separation between two parts or ideas of a sentence.
Grammar note: The clause following the semicolon should've been an independent clause. In this case, a hyphen would've been more appropriate. Or, you could've included the words "they are" to begin the clause that follows the semicolon. Some grammarians instruct writers to omit the semicolon in their work and consider the punctuation archaic. I am not saying to never use the semicolon, but when you do, don't make a fool out of yourself, especially if you're trying to instruct others about what it is and how to use it.
If all of Hawaii (or even a strong majority) doesn’t listen to Loveline, then it will surly be pulled off the air and replaced. Most likely by the sound of someone banging two coconut shells together and singing of that little minx Queen Liliuokalani, but hey, if that entertains you, be my guest.
Grammar note: "All" and "doesn't" do not conjugate. "A strong majority" does conjugate with "doesn't." The sentence should've been reconstructed to avoid grammatical stiltedness. Use "surely," not "surly." The second sentence is a run-on sentence.
Whatever the choice, at least if you took a democratic approach it would represent the choice of the majority of Hawaiians.
Grammar note: Place a comma after "approach."
PS- (which stands for post script) I speak for most of the lower 48 states when I say that a little gratitude might be in order for allowing you Hawaiians into the Union. Just a thought…
Grammar note: "PS- (which stands for post script)" should be "P.S. (which stands for post script)."
Are you a representative product of the educational system in the "lower 48 states"? If so, God help this country.
I don't mind if people use poor grammar on boards like these - that's part of the charm of an Internet discussion. And my grammar is not always perfect either. I just hate it when people with very poor grammar are pompous asses about how educated they are.
I don't agree with the radio station's decision to pull the Loveline show. Like a few who have intelligently expressed their ideas here, I think Hawaii has lost a valuable educational program. These writers presented their ideas effectively and didn't resort to name-calling, which is what people do when they are losing an arguement and do not have the facility to do otherwise. To the writers who came through with their pro-Loveline ideas with class, thank you. You've done a service for the rest of us.
On the other hand, the others are making Adam Corolla fans look really bad. Really bad.
Grammar note: The clause following the semicolon should've been an independent clause. In this case, a hyphen would've been more appropriate.
Like I said, my grammar ain't perfect. Use a dash, not a hyphen.
Hear ye, Hear ye, let it be known that Hawaii is the only state with one school board, the only state that allows racially segregated tax exempt schools, and absolutely no humor regarding its inhabitants... And now the furor has reported there is to be no "Loveline" broadcasts.
I find it so interesting that people find what Adam Corolla said, "acceptable" and "justifiable". I am not Hawaiian, however, I have a lot of hawaiian friends and it hurts me to see "my kind" support this kind of racist bullshit. Someone said, "if you don't like it, don't listen to it". Well, how about you walk around town calling black people NIGGERS and then telling them "don't listen to me if you don't like it". Could you be any more retarded? Could you? Please?
On the flip side, I really wish they didn't take Loveline off the air because, it does give great advice. However, we need to stop making excuses to obvious racism. All my hawaiian friends are good, smart and loving people that definitely did not deserve this barbaric mockery.
Wow! After reading some entries that defend Adam Corolla, I honestly believe that some of you have a deep hate for Hawaiians. If Hawaiians are so dumb and stupid, then why are some of you so eager to have political and ethical discussions with them? Seems like some of you are threatened by the intelligence of the "barbarians"? Interesting.
Interesting. Two Johns commenting, two points of view. In any case, this brings us to 50 comments, and with the blessings of Shelly, we're closing this most memorable thread.
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